87. Memorandum of Conversation1
SUBJECT
- South African Nuclear Developments, Horn of Africa
- SALT, Other Arms Control Matters
PARTICIPANTS
- US
- The Secretary
- Marshall D. Shulman
- USSR
- Ambassador Anatoly Dobrynin
SUMMARY: In a personal message from Brezhnev to President Carter, the Soviets voice concern about evidence of further South African steps toward developing and testing nuclear weapons. The Soviets are agreeable to consulting with us in New York on forthcoming US Special Session on Disarmament issues. They also propose resuming consultations on conventional arms transfers in Moscow in later March or early April. Dobrynin said the Somalis had approached the USSR for assistance in bringing about a mediation effort in the Horn. He asked whether Warnke was returning to SALT with new in [Page 294] structions. Dobrynin said he is being called to Moscow for consultations on US-Soviet relations, leaving Washington about March 16.
Ambassador Dobrynin came in at his request March 6, and the following subjects were covered:
1. Dobrynin delivered an oral note (in Russian, with translation attached) from Brezhnev to President Carter on the subject of South African nuclear weapon capabilities. The note cites new Soviet data that work is continuing in South Africa to develop nuclear weapons and prepare test explosions. It asserts that one test site is being completed and another has been started; that an industrial reactor is being built to produce weapons-grade plutonium, and a facility is being planned for the production of enriched uranium.
2. A second oral note2 (in Russian) conveyed Soviet agreement to engage in consultations on the UN Special Session on Disarmament, offering to meet in New York either in the course of the preparatory meeting, April 4–21, or immediately afterwards.
3. A third oral note3 (also in Russian) proposed to continue the consultations on the international sale and transfer of conventional weapons. It proposes the meeting be in Moscow at the end of March or the beginning of April, but expresses willingness to meet at any other place of mutual convenience. The note adds that there will be a change in leadership of the Soviet side; it will be headed by Lev Mendelevich, and his assistant will be P. I. Galkin.
4. Dobrynin informed the Secretary that he was being recalled to Moscow for consultations on the state of US-Soviet relations, and will leave on or about March 16.
5. On the subject of the Horn, Dobrynin said that the Somalis had approached the Soviet Union for assistance in bringing about a mediation effort, but had been told that no negotiations were possible until there had been a Somali withdrawal from the Ogaden. He added that he hoped the Horn problem would soon be over, and that this would help to improve Soviet-American relations. In his side comments, Dobrynin said the Soviet side was by no means happy with the course of events in the Horn, but also made the point that people who thought everything was done in accordance with a master strategic design in Moscow tended to underestimate the degree of improvisation involved. He added that the US seemed to be much more ideologically-inclined than the Soviet Union these days.
6. On SALT, Dobrynin inquired whether Warnke was returning to Geneva with new instructions, and was told that the matter was being [Page 295] considered at a meeting to be held shortly. In response to a further question about current newspaper stories on differences within the Administration on the subject of linkage, the Secretary reaffirmed the President’s intention to move ahead without delay in the SALT negotiations. Dobrynin was cautioned not to put undue emphasis on newspaper reports.
- Source: Department of State, Office of the Secretariat Staff, Special Adviser to the Secretary (S/MS) on Soviet Affairs Marshall Shulman—Jan 21, 77–Jan 19, 81, Lot 81D109, Box 3, CV–Dobrynin, 3/6/78. Secret; Nodis. Drafted by Shulman; approved by Anderson on March 16. The meeting took place at the Department of State.↩
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- No classification marking.↩
- See Document 41.↩