800.51W89 France/914½

The French Ambassador (De Laboulaye) to the Acting Secretary of State

My Dear Mr. Phillips: You will recall that a few days ago you expressed to me the hope to receive some data concerning the French point of view on the debt question. With documents at my disposal at the Embassy, I have drafted the enclosed note for your personal and confidential information.

I sincerely hope that it will be of some help to you.

Very truly yours,

A. de Laboulaye
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[Enclosure]

Since the end of the War, it has been the constant opinion, not only of the succeeding French Governments, but of the Parliament and the country, that the settlement of interallied debts ought to be made in relation with the reparations settlement. Such an opinion, reaffirmed in the Resolution passed by the French Parliament on the occasion of the ratification of the Mellon-Bérenger agreement90 conditioning the payments to the United States to the German reparations, was based upon the principle of the capacity of payment which was applied by the Government of the United States in its agreements with foreign debtors.

On several occasions, American statesmen admitted that reparations and debts were intimately connected. For example:

a)
In a letter dated January 29th, 1919 and addressed to Mr. Edouard de Billy, at the time French High Commissioner in the United States, the Secretary of the Treasury Mr. Carter Glass wrote:

“I fully agree in the principle that the settlement of the debts should take into consideration payments on reparations to be received from Germany by your Government.”91

b)
When the Senate was discussing the agreement between the United States and Italy, Senator Smoot, on March 25th, 1926, said:

“Nobody can contest that German reparations will furnish Italy with a great part of the means of payment she will need for her payments toward the United States and Great Britain. It is a fact, whether we admit it or not.”92

c)
In a memorandum sent on July 4th, 1925 to the French Ambassador, Mr. Garrard Winston, Undersecretary of the Treasury wrote:

“The payment will not be contingent upon receipt of reparations by the debtors, but the probability of such payments will be taken into consideration in order to fix the capacity of payment.”93

Although the Young plan did not establish an official connection between debts and reparations, it was drafted in such a manner that, in the opinion of the experts, a de facto bond was created between those two problems. The duration of the reparation payments was identical with that of the payments to the United States and the variable [Page 875] portion of the annuities covered the payments to be made by the Allies.

When on June 19th [20th], 1931, President Hoover asked for a general suspension of intergovernmental obligations, he carefully asserted that the reparations problem was purely a European one. Nevertheless the initiative he took resulted in the rupture of the Young plan machinery. Mr. Hoover admitted that the “fabric of intergovernmental debts, supported in normal times, weighs heavily in the midst of the depression.” He opposed the cancellation of the debts but expressed the conviction that the American people had “no desire to attempt to exact any sum beyond the capacity of any debtor to pay” and added: “It is our view that broad vision requires that our Government should recognize the situation as its exists.”94

During the conversations which took place in Paris at the time of Mr. Hoover’s proposal for a moratorium, great pressure was made by members of the American Government who were in Europe at the time, Mr. Stimson and especially Mr. Mellon, in order to convince their colleagues of the French Government to include in the suggested suspension the unconditional part of the reparations payments from Germany as fixed by the Young plan. After a long resistance, the French Government accepted. But, while making that important concession, it pointed out that, in spite of constant affirmations on the part of the American Government that no official connection existed between reparations and debts, the Hoover moratorium had really established such a connection between those two problems and that all intergovernmental obligations were interdependent.95 Such was also the opinion of the Wiggin Committee appointed by the Bank of International Settlements which recalled that “the German problem is but a part of a wider problem which affects many other countries in the world.”96

Such also was the meaning of the Hoover-Laval communiqué of October 25th which reads in part:

“As far as intergovernmental obligations are concerned, we are agreed that before the expiration of the Hoover year of suspension, an arrangement covering the period of economic depression may be necessary, as to the terms and conditions of which our two governments make our reserves. The initiative of this arrangement will have to be taken by the European powers concerned, within the framework of the existing agreements before July 1st, 1931.”97

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Although when Mr. Laval returned to France he did not take with him a promise from President Hoover that a reduction of the debt equivalent to the possible reduction on reparations would be acceptable to the United States, he had been led to understand that after the reparations question had been settled among European powers, the American Government would be willing to cooperate in a revision of other intergovernmental obligations.

On November 27th, 1931, speaking before the French Chamber of Deputies, Mr. Laval said: “We shall accept arrangements for a limited period, but we shall not consent to a revision of reparations unless reductions at least equivalent are consented on the debts.” When Mr. Stimson read that statement, he called in his office the French Ambassador in Washington, Mr. Paul Claudel, on December 3rd, 193198 and handed him an aide-mémoire99 in which it was stated that the American Government did not consider Mr. Laval’s declarations as representing in any manner an agreement or an arrangement between the French Prime Minister and the American Government. Mr. Stimson accompanied the remittance of that document by the following remarks which are taken from Mr. Claudel’s own memorandum after his conversation:

“The American Government does not agree that the reduction of interallied debts might be greater than the reduction of reparations as the words “at least” used by Mr. Laval might indicate. All that was said in the conversations between President Hoover and Mr. Laval is that if the Allied Powers reached an agreement on the reduction of reparations from Germany, the United States on their part would not refuse, provided Congress gives its consent, to negotiate a reduction on debts. But such a reduction should not exceed the reduction on reparations.”

In his message to Congress concerning foreign affairs, on December 10th, 1931, Mr. Hoover spoke of the intergovernmental debts and very likely having in mind his conversations with Mr. Laval, said:

“As we approach the new year, it is clear that a number of the Governments indebted to us will be unable to meet further payments to us in full pending recovery in their economic life. It is useless to blind ourselves to an obvious fact. Therefore, it will be necessary in some cases to make still further temporary adjustment.”1 He recommended the reconstitution of the Debt Funding Commission.

The next day, December 12th, the Secretary of the Treasury, Mr. Mellon, in a public statement endorsed vigorously President Hoover’s [Page 877] proposal for a re-examination of the European debt to the United States, saying: “The situation of our debtors has been immensely altered during the course of the last two years. New questions in relation to these debts are bound to arise in the course of the next few months. The Congress should be in a position through a Commission created by it and composed in part of its own members, to ascertain what the facts actually are and to deal with the new problems as they arise.”

In an aide-mémoire forwarded on December 29th, 1931 by the Secretary of State Mr. Stimson to the French Ambassador, Mr. Claudel, he expressed himself as follows:

“Only after the extent of Germany’s capacity or incapacity to pay has been fairly determined and the manner and extent in which the resulting sacrifice will be borne by the nations who are entitled to receive reparations are also determined, would it be possible to bring such a question before the people of this country with anything but a certainty of failure.”2

These words clearly indicate that in the opinion of the Republican administration, the debts question would have to be re-examined after the settlement of the reparations question.

It was in those circumstances that the Lausanne Conference3 was prepared and took place. As it is outlined above, that Conference was the logical issue of the Hoover moratorium and of the Hoover-Laval conversations. Europe was following the advice given by Washington to settle reparations first, with the conviction that concessions on debts would be made later on by the United States toward their debtors in a manner equivalent to the concessions to Germany. The result of Lausanne was a cut of 90% of German reparations. In the opinion of France, such immense concessions were to be followed by a corresponding revision of her debts to the United States. Consequently, it was logical on her part to approach the United States. This was done on the 11th of November, 1931 [1932]4 and the French position was fully explained by a subsequent Note sent by the French Ambassador to the Secretary of State on December 1, 1932,5 as well as in a speech made by Mr. Herriot to the French Chamber of Deputies on December 14th, and also in the resolution6 by that same body on the same date.

  1. Signed April 29, 1926, and ratified by France on July 27, 1929. For text, see Combined Annual Reports of the World War Foreign Debt Commission, 1922–1926, p. 257; see also Foreign Relations, 1926, vol. ii, pp. 91108.
  2. For texts of letters exchanged between Mr. Glass and the French High Commissioner, see Combined Annual Reports of the World War Foreign Debt Commission, 1922–1926, pp. 64–65.
  3. Congressional Record, vol. 67, pt. 6, p. 6244.
  4. For text of letter, see Lucien Petit, Histoire des Finances Extérieures de la France: Le Règlement des Dettes Interalliées (1919–1929) (Paris, Éditions Berger-Levrault, 1932), p. 569.
  5. For text of the proposal, see telegram No. 262, June 20, 1931, 8 p.m., to the Ambassador in France, Foreign Relations, 1931, vol. i, p. 33.
  6. For correspondence concerning negotiations to secure French acceptance of the moratorium proposal, see ibid., pp. 42 ff. A basis of agreement was reached on July 6, 1931.
  7. Bank for International Settlements, Report of the Committee Appointed on the Recommendation of the London Conference, 1931 (New York, privately reprinted, n. d.) p. 1.
  8. Foreign Relations, 1931, vol. ii, pp. 252, 253.
  9. For memorandum by the Secretary of State of this conversation with the French Ambassador, see Foreign Relations, 1931, vol. i, p. 352.
  10. Ibid., p. 353.
  11. Ibid., pp. xxiii , xxv .
  12. Foreign Relations, 1932, vol. i, pp. 636637.
  13. See ibid., pp. 636 ff.
  14. Ibid., p. 727.
  15. Ibid., p. 734.
  16. For English text of resolution, see ibid., p. 744.