36. Notes of Meeting1

ATTENDING WERE

  • The President
  • Secretary Rusk
  • Secretary Clifford
  • Walt Rostow
  • Tom Johnson

Clark Clifford: George Ball called me. I saw him this morning.

He said he had “reached a decision.”2

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I listed the reasons he should continue in the job. Ball also said:

“I cannot permit myself to remain quiet any longer about Nixon. He is a liar, dishonest, and a crook. This is my country. We would get poor leadership.” He said he must be free.

  • —Speak out myself
  • —Help Humphrey say what he should
  • —Bring in people to help

He said he couldn’t live with himself if he didn’t work to defeat Nixon.

Secretary Rusk: He said the same things to me. He is misestimating the political situation. It would be interpreted as “break” with the Administration.

Clark Clifford: He said he does not intend to “break” with Administration.

Secretary Rusk: Ball quits 2 months after he takes office.

Clark Clifford: He has an excellent statement.

The President: The time when he should have decided this was when he agreed to serve.

The President: I talked to Dirksen yesterday.3

Secretary Rusk: Bus might pass the word to Abrams to slip out these facts about

  • —The 3rd offensive being blunted.
  • SVN strength improved.

Clark Clifford: Better press tone because of

  • —General Sidle’s approach.
  • General Abrams doesn’t “sell” it.
  • —Facts are on our side.

Secretary Rusk: Bunker would try to go along with anything, but he puts priority on GVN presence at table.

Secretary Rusk: To replace Ball, Cy Vance would be ideal.

Walt Rostow: I expect within 2 weeks to know what will happen in Paris. They are getting their military dispositions. Detailed messages on exactly what their strength is in the field.

The President: Ball’s going to Humphrey is part of movement to “dove” side—special sale number one. McCarthy is an admirer of Ball’s.

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Clark Clifford: This may be a desperation move by HHH. They talked on the phone Monday.4

[Omitted here is discussion of the Spanish base agreement.]

  1. Source: Johnson Library, Tom Johnson’s Notes of Meetings. Top Secret. The meeting was held in the second floor dining room of the White House. It immediately followed an off-the-record meeting between the same men that began at 1:43 p.m. (Ibid., President’s Daily Diary)
  2. Ball, who had been appointed as Representative to the United Nations on May 14 and had presented his credentials on June 26, officially resigned on September 25.
  3. See Document 31.
  4. September 23. No record of this discussion has been found.