36. Notes of Meeting1

ATTENDING WERE

  • The President
  • Secretary Rusk
  • Secretary Clifford
  • Walt Rostow
  • Tom Johnson

Clark Clifford: George Ball called me. I saw him this morning.

He said he had “reached a decision.”2

[Page 92]

I listed the reasons he should continue in the job. Ball also said:

“I cannot permit myself to remain quiet any longer about Nixon. He is a liar, dishonest, and a crook. This is my country. We would get poor leadership.” He said he must be free.

  • —Speak out myself
  • —Help Humphrey say what he should
  • —Bring in people to help

He said he couldn’t live with himself if he didn’t work to defeat Nixon.

Secretary Rusk: He said the same things to me. He is misestimating the political situation. It would be interpreted as “break” with the Administration.

Clark Clifford: He said he does not intend to “break” with Administration.

Secretary Rusk: Ball quits 2 months after he takes office.

Clark Clifford: He has an excellent statement.

The President: The time when he should have decided this was when he agreed to serve.

The President: I talked to Dirksen yesterday.3

Secretary Rusk: Bus might pass the word to Abrams to slip out these facts about

  • —The 3rd offensive being blunted.
  • —SVN strength improved.

Clark Clifford: Better press tone because of

  • —General Sidle’s approach.
  • —General Abrams doesn’t “sell” it.
  • —Facts are on our side.

Secretary Rusk: Bunker would try to go along with anything, but he puts priority on GVN presence at table.

Secretary Rusk: To replace Ball, Cy Vance would be ideal.

Walt Rostow: I expect within 2 weeks to know what will happen in Paris. They are getting their military dispositions. Detailed messages on exactly what their strength is in the field.

The President: Ball’s going to Humphrey is part of movement to “dove” side—special sale number one. McCarthy is an admirer of Ball’s.

[Page 93]

Clark Clifford: This may be a desperation move by HHH. They talked on the phone Monday.4

[Omitted here is discussion of the Spanish base agreement.]

  1. Source: Johnson Library, Tom Johnson’s Notes of Meetings. Top Secret. The meeting was held in the second floor dining room of the White House. It immediately followed an off-the-record meeting between the same men that began at 1:43 p.m. (Ibid., President’s Daily Diary)↩
  2. Ball, who had been appointed as Representative to the United Nations on May 14 and had presented his credentials on June 26, officially resigned on September 25.↩
  3. See Document 31.↩
  4. September 23. No record of this discussion has been found.↩