811.24500/11–1945

Memorandum of Conversation, by the Secretary of State

Lord Halifax left with the Secretary a memorandum containing a message from Mr. Bevin to the Secretary94 asking clarification of certain points in the American note on bases.

With regard to the disputed places, the Secretary told Lord Halifax the United States does not believe these places to be of particular value but in as much as the United States has built military installations on them during the war, he thinks it would look good for the entire negotiations if the asserted claim were settled. It would create the impression that the British, having a claim, have denounced it in favor of the United States.

Lord Halifax said Mr. Bevin had mentioned another matter which he had not included in the note—Mr. Bevin is concerned over difficulties that will arise if New Zealand and Australia are not consulted about these bases. He wants to be at liberty to mention to them what is involved and what is being discussed.

The Secretary agreed that they should be consulted and wondered if it would be better for the US to approach them. Lord Halifax thought it might be and said he would communicate with Mr. Bevin to ascertain his views on this.

[Annex]

The British Ambassador ( Halifax ) to the Secretary of State

Message for the Secretary of State From Mr. Bevin Dated November 15th

I am glad to have received from Mr. Byrnes total claims which the United States Government is making on us but it is obvious that [Page 215] this raises a very difficult problem to decide and while you in your telegram said it was for me alone it was obvious that I could not deal with it without advice. I therefore privately consulted Chiefs of Staff and asked them to look into it from military angle.

Meanwhile pending their report there are certain points upon which perhaps Mr. Byrnes can help to clarify my mind.

The first—and this rather attracts me—is proposal to deal with a number or all of these places jointly. To what extent would Mr. Byrnes be willing to reciprocate by allowing a wider area of joint use over some of the already United States owned bases, for instance Manila?95 It would go better with the British people if it were felt that this was a mutual arrangement.

The next thing is, how much is wanted for military purposes and how much for civil aviation, because it seems to me that a number of these places have no military value at all. Obviously if a commercial proposition is involved, the question will have to be dealt with on two different grounds.

The next thing is, Mr. Byrnes has told me what bases he wants in our own territory and as regards support by us in Iceland and in Portuguese territory. Does he want anything from other countries such as France or Holland?

With regard to the Azores this raises separate problems on which I will telegraph later.

With regard to India, it is virtually a sovereign state in all these matters and I really could not handle India in the way suggested.

As to the disputed places mentioned in paragraph 3 of Mr. Byrnes’ aide-mémoire, I am having this question examined, but could you tell me what is at the back of Mr. Byrnes’ mind? Are the United States Government thinking of establishing military bases in them (and if so, under United Nations system) or what is special value attached to them by the United States, e.g. is civil aviation at the bottom of it?

Now I come to the real crucial point. As far as joint bases are concerned in British territory is it really necessary to formalise the existing arrangements in advance of international system of security under United Nations charter?96 I cannot see that there is any conflict with United Nations or with Russia so long as in the event of aggression the joint base would be open for use by the Security Council. Surely what we want to do is at the right moment to formalise the existing United States position in British territories in question, as joint users of the bases, in the United Kingdom’s “special agreement” with the Security Council under Article 43 of [Page 216] the Charter. I am concerned at the risk of harming United Nations Organisation (and of giving the Russians serious ground for complaint) by attempting to formalise the existing arrangements in advance and appearing to face them with a fait accompli. The same applies to the arrangements about the future of the disputed Pacific Islands. I have made a declaration in the House that all my policy must square with the obligations we have entered into, and this preliminary series of dealings about bases and territories will look to the world like sharp practice and I do not want my foreign policy to be guilty of that. Therefore it would mean careful study.

There are two places which are mandated territories. Can we fortify mandated territories without the organisation which is taking the place of the League of Nations? That is another worry.

Finally, when I have had the thing studied in all its aspects I will communicate with you again, but although I have entered into what looks like criticism, again let me thank Mr. Byrnes for being so helpful and letting us see the picture as a whole. If he does not mind my putting a few daubs of paint on it from our angle, so as to make it a better picture I will be glad.

  1. Printed as an annex to this memorandum.
  2. For documentation regarding a preliminary understanding with the Philippine Commonwealth for acquisition by the United States of military and naval bases in the Philippines, see pp. 1203 ff.
  3. For text of the United Nations Charter, signed June 26, 1945, see Department of State Treaty Series No. 993, or 59 Stat. (pt. 2) 1031.