228. Memorandum of Conversation1
Washington, October 9, 1970, 5:30
p.m.
PARTICIPANTS
- Dr. Henry A. Kissinger and
Soviet Ambassador Anatoliy
Dobrynin
The meeting was initialed at my request and began with my handing
Dobrynin a copy of an oral
note2 dealing
with the installations in Cuba. The purpose of the note was to tie down
our understanding of the Soviet base. Rather than putting the issues in
the form of questions they were phrased in the form of an understanding
of what we considered a base.
Ambassador Dobrynin then read over
the note (Tab A) and said that the only point that seemed bothersome was
the point about “communica-facilities,” but he would have to await
further instructions from Moscow.
Ambassador Dobrynin added that
Tass would soon publish a statement repeating in effect the content of
the oral note of October 63 denying any Soviet
intent to establish a base in Cuba. I said that we would judge it by the
criteria of our oral note. Later in the evening Dobrynin called to inquire whether the
point about repair facilities
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applied to all Soviet ships or only those capable of offensive action. I
replied that it applied to the ships described in the note.
We then discussed the possibility of a meeting between Soviet Foreign
Minister Gromyko and the
President. Ambassador Dobrynin
asked whether it should take place before or after the Foreign Ministers
meetings with Secretary of State Rogers. I replied that my instincts suggested that the
meeting should take place afterwards. Ambassador Dobrynin then asked what date was
convenient and I suggested the afternoon of October 23rd following the
President’s speech at the UN. Ambassador Dobrynin said that this was in general acceptable. I
then told the Ambassador to make sure that during these conversations no
mention would be made of the US–USSR
Summit meeting or, in any event, to be sure that I received advance word
in order to provide me with an opportunity to put the issue into formal
channels. Ambassador Dobrynin
agreed and further agreed to come to Washington before the meeting of
the President and Foreign Minister Gromyko so that we could coordinate on and agree to the
agenda.
Ambassador Dobrynin then turned to
a general discussion of US-Soviet relations. He said it was hard to
exaggerate the concern of his leadership in Moscow. Their feeling was
that the United States had already decided to adopt a hard line and it
was whipping up a propaganda campaign in order to get larger defense
budgets and perhaps affect the election. He said that the campaign on
the Mideast was out of all proportion to the provocation. He called my
attention to the fact that the Soviet Union had never been part of the
cease-fire. He said that when Secretary Rogers first told him about the cease-fire standstill in
conjunction with the US proposal for Middle East Peace negotiations,
that he had asked Secretary Rogers whether these items were linked together.
Secretary Rogers had replied that
it was desirable “but not” indispensable that the cease-fire and the
negotiations be linked together. The Ambassador stated that, therefore,
the Soviet Government did not understand why the U.S. suddenly decided
to effect a linkage. Ambassador Dobrynin then said that Assistant Secretary Sisco, in the presence of Secretary
Rogers, had told him there
was no linkage between these elements and that, in any event, the Soviet
Union had only been informed of our understanding of the cease-fire for
informational purposes. The Ambassador added that the Soviet Government
was seriously debating whether to start a press campaign against us
along similar lines.
Ambassador Dobrynin said that he
hoped that the U.S. Government did not draw the conclusion from the
Middle East crisis that the Soviet Union could be intimidated by a show
of United States force. He asked whether we really thought that one
additional U.S. carrier in the Eastern Mediterranean would make the
Soviet Union back down.
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Further, Ambassador Dobrynin
stated he could understand that the United States might claim for
propaganda purposes that the Soviet Union controlled the Syrians but
that if we really believed that to be the case then we were in bad
shape. He continued that if the Soviet Union acted when its national
interest was involved then it would act with great force and it would be
hard to dissuade them. I replied that we were not children, that we
looked at the situation with great care. Having observed Soviet military
actions in the last decade and a half we knew that when the Soviet Union
used its forces it did so massively. But that was not the point. The
point was that we were asking the same questions about the Soviet
leaders that he allegedly was asking about our leaders. I reminded him
that we had offered a Summit meeting on two occasions during the summer
without ever receiving a formal reply. In response there was the massive
move forward of Egyptian and Soviet missiles along the canal and the
massive deception in Cuba. Ambassador Dobrynin began to explain that the Cuban situation was
“not clear.” I interrupted saying if there is to be any sense in our
meetings we must not kid one another. I added, “you know what is there
and I know what is there even though we may not say it, so let us not
discuss it any further.”
With respect to the Egyptian missiles, Ambassador Dobrynin called my attention to the
phrase that there were no Soviet personnel with the missiles in Egypt. I
said that perhaps he meant “military” personnel and that they had put
them into civilian clothes. He replied that the phrase was intended to
mean that there were no Soviet personnel.
Ambassador Dobrynin then appeared
to bluster stating that the Soviet Union had a lot of experience in
dealing with Americans and they thought their system was more permanent
than ours and therefore if things came to that point they would wait for
6 years until President Nixon was
out of office. I replied that perhaps the inference that the press
campaign came from us was started by people who did not know anything
about American affairs. Ambassador Dobrynin said “no” it was the consensus of all their
senior officials that relations with the United States had never been
worse since the Cuban missile crisis. I said that I could only repeat
what I had said to him previously. We were at a turning point. We
recognized very well that neither side could gain anything in an arms
race but if present trends continued they would force us into an
enlarged military budget. He might well tell me that his leaders could
wait six years and this might be true; however, President Nixon did not become President by not
being persistent. Nevertheless, it did not seem sensible to exchange
protestations on the issue of greater endurance. The problem was how to
turn this present impasse into a more fruitful direction and, therefore,
to turn our attention to that.
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Ambassador Dobrynin said that it
was important to discuss the Middle East and related issues. I replied
again that this was not the time to do it. But that if they were ever
willing to take up our offer for serious bilateral talks between
Ambassador Dobrynin and me we
would make every effort to proceed. The Ambassador told me that the
memorandum he had handed to me, which is attached at Tab B, was written
only for the President and would receive no publicity and be referred to
nowhere else.
Tab A
Washington, October 9,
1970.
United States Oral Note4
The President appreciated the forthright reply of the Soviet
Government conveying the affirmation of your government that the
USSR is not and will not
construct any facility in Cuba that will violate the understanding
of 1962 between the USSR and US
Governments on the Cuban questions. The clarification of this
situation can be a significant contribution to improving US-Soviet
relations.
The purpose of this memorandum is to provide the Soviet Government
with what we understand by the phrase: “The Soviet side has not done
and is not doing in Cuba now—that includes the area of the
Cienfuegos port—anything of the kind that would contradict the
mentioned understanding.”
The US Government understands that the USSR will not establish, utilize, or permit the
establishment of any facility in Cuba that can be employed to
support or repair Soviet naval ships capable of carrying offensive
weapons; i.e., submarines or surface ships armed with
nuclear-capable, surface-to-surface missiles. The US Government
further understands that the following specific actions will not be
undertaken:
- —Construction of facilities for the handling and storing
of nuclear weapons and components in Cuba.
- —Removal of nuclear weapons from, or transfer of nuclear
weapons to, Soviet ships in Cuban ports or operating
therefrom.
- —Construction of submarine or surface ship repair
facilities ashore in Cuba.
- —Basing or extended deployment of tenders or other repair
ships in Cuban ports that are capable of supporting or
repairing submarines or surface ships armed with
nuclear-capable surface-to-surface missiles.
- —Construction of communications support facilities for
Soviet submarines.
Finally, the President wishes to emphasize that the U.S. Government
will observe strictly its part of the 1962 understanding as long as
the Soviet Union does the same.
Tab B
Memorandum From the Soviet Leadership to President
Nixon
5
The attention of the Soviet leadership has been attracted to the
campaign, hostile to the USSR,
being waged in the US around so-called “violations of the terms of
the cease-fire” in the Suez canal zone and the Soviet Union’s
alleged involvement in those “violations”.
This anti-Soviet campaign is clearly being encouraged, and, to say
more frankly, in fact inspired by American officials. How else can
one judge, for example, the statement made by the Assistant
Secretary of State Mr. Sisco
at the press briefing in Chicago on September 16 when he, while
accusing the UAR without proof of having violated the cease-fire
terms, alleged in addition that all “these violations could not have
taken place without the knowledge and the complicity of the Soviet
Union”. Speaking at the same briefing Mr. Kissinger also permitted himself to
make remarks about violations of the cease-fire “by the Egyptians
and the Russians”. Moreover, and again with the blessing of
officials, the theme was launched professing some general
“credibility gap” with regard to the Soviet Union.
Clearly, in this connection the Soviet leadership cannot but raise
the question as to what all this is being done for? What is the aim
of the US Government in all of this? Because who else is better
aware than the American Government of the complete lack of ground
for the assertions that the Soviet Government had something to do
with reaching the agreement on the terms of the cease-fire in the
Suez Canal zone, still less—with some kind of “violations” of such
agreement.
It is worthwhile to recall some facts pertaining to this question. On
August 8, i.e. on the day when the cease-fire in the Suez Canal zone
entered into force, the US Ambassador in Moscow, while handing to
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the USSR Foreign Ministry the text of the
terms of that cease-fire, already agreed upon with the Governments
of the UAR and Israel, clearly and unequivocally stated that this
was being done only “for the information of the Soviet Government”.
On August 11 transmitting to the Ministry some additional details of
the terms of cease-fire, the US Ambassador said again that those
clarifications had already been discussed by the US Government with
the Governments of the UAR and Israel and that they were being
handed to the Soviet side “just for its information”.
That is how the record stands regarding involvement or, rather,
non-involvement of the Soviet Union in the agreement itself on the
terms of cease-fire in the Suez Canal zone.
On what basis, then, did the American side start later to present the
matter in such a way as if there were some terms of cease-fire in
the Suez Canal zone agreed upon between the US and USSR Governments? We have already
drawn the attention of the US Government, through the American
Ambassador in Moscow, in particular in the conversation with him
held at the Foreign Ministry on September 15, to the fact that this
kind of presentation was groundless. Nevertheless, US officials
continued to distort the actual state of the matter.
Now about so-called “violations” of this agreement. It is necessary
first of all to emphasize the complete lack of foundation for the
attempts being made in the United States to prove that the Soviet
side had something to do with such “violations”. This refers, in
particular, to statements alleging deployment in the Suez Canal zone
of new rocket-launchers manned by Soviet personnel after August 8.
That is deliberately false. Contrary to the assertions by American
officials, there have not been and there are not now
rocket-launchers manned by Soviet personnel in the Suez Canal
zone.
What leaps into one’s eye is that the American side while so
unsparingly accusing the UAR of “violating” the terms of cease-fire,
keeps almost complete silence with regard to actual violations made
by Israel from the very first day of the cease-fire. Moreover,
spokesmen of the US Government deem it appropriate to speak directly
about “utmost importance for Israel to retain air superiority in the
Suez Canal zone”, as well as about “manoeuvrability and freedom of
action in that area”. Such a position hardly serves as a proof of US
“impartiality”. It can only mean one thing—a desire to mislead
public opinion by presenting a distorted picture of the state of
things and whitewashing the aggressor. All this is actually nothing
but encouragement by the United States of a stubbornly
obstructionist tactics of Israel, which from the very beginning and
until this day has been rejecting contacts and negotiations through
Ambassador Jarring, raising
all sorts of far-fetched pretexts. Among them are accusations
against the UAR of “violating” the terms of cease-fire. These
assertions have already been refuted in
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an official statement made to the US
representative in Cairo by the UAR Minister of Foreign Affairs
M. Riad and also in
M. Riad’s Cairo TV address
on October 6, 1970.
It should also be noted that Israel is now trying in every way to
complicate and confuse the very question of cease-fire. One should
recall that in American proposals of June 19 themselves negotiations
between the sides through Jarring were not organicly linked to the cease-fire.
That was publicly acknowledged by Mr. Sisco, who said in Chicago on September 16 that
“originally the American proposals did not envisage any direct link
between cease-fire and start of the talks”.
However after the UAR Government accepted the American proposal on
cease-fire, having thus displayed its full readiness to negotiate
through Jarring, Israel
started inventing new pretexts to dodge from such negotiations.
The Soviet Union has always been a sincere supporter of cease-fire,
viewing it also as an important factor in creating a more favourable
climate for talks between the sides. However the Soviet Union cannot
ignore the attempts to deliberately complicate the question of
cease-fire in order to torpedo the negotiations as is being done by
Israel with the US support.
It could not but be noted in Moscow that supporting the
obstructionist position of Israel the US Government itself also
undertakes steps which lead to aggravation of the situation in the
Middle East area. In this connection one should mention for instance
the uproar created around the visit by the US President to the
American 6th fleet in the Mediterranean. Among acts of this nature
are the new deliveries of “Phantom” fighter-bombers and of other
weapons to Israel and the reconnaissance flights by American
aircraft over the territory of the UAR, a sovereign state, in gross
violation of the norms of international law.
All this cannot but raise a legitimate question: where in effect is
the United States leading to in the Middle East?
On our part we should like to reaffirm that the Soviet Government has
been and remains a firm supporter of speedy achievement of a
political settlement in the Middle East, of establishment of a
durable and just peace there, on the basis of the well known
resolution of the Security Council, in all its parts.
We believe that every effort should be made in order not to lose the
opportunity for progress in political settlement in the Middle East
which is being created by the agreement of the Arab states to
negotiate through Ambassador Jarring and the actually existing state of
cease-fire. We are ready to contribute to that both within the
framework of our bilateral meetings and at the four-power
consultations.
As for the talk about so-called “crisis of confidence” in general,
the unseriousness of US officials’ approach to this matter has
attracted
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attention in
Moscow. All those groundless statements indeed give reason to ask:
is the US Government ready to support by its deeds what it says in
the course of exchange of opinion with the Soviet Government or are
those words said because of some considerations of the moment. The
US position on the Middle East question and the distortion by the
American side of facts pertaining to the cease-fire in the Suez
Canal zone, indeed, cannot contribute to the strengthening of mutual
understanding and trust in relations between our countries so needed
for a fruitful development of these very relations.