129. Notes of Telephone Conversation Between the President’s Assistant for National Security Affairs (Kissinger) and Secretary of State Rogers1 2

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K said what really got him on Jerry was the way he handled the Seabed Treaty. J told the P he would wait for 3 or 4 years on that, and then he came back to the P 3 weeks later and told him he was morally committed. K said he knew how that happened—we didn’t think the Soviets would respond. K said his own impression of Jerry is that he’s an honorable guy and that he plays the game. R said he will if we let him. R said that in the meeting, the P didn’t like what Jerry was saying so he cut him off. K said he had not been watching that. R said on the Soviet thing, if you are careless on your recollection, you might conclude as K did. What J said was that [Page 2] if we were in a position of doing something we don’t like, we can delay it. R said he doesn’t think there’s anything wrong with the Seabed Treaty. If we’re going to have an era of negotiation, it’s a good thing. K said he agreed, and that on every decision that came to the White House, we sided with Jerry. R said that when Jerry talked about delaying 3 or 4 years, he was talking about if it was unsatisfactory, but it didn’t happen. R said if he were President, he would say he was glad Smith worked that out. R said it will be some time before the treaty will be a treaty, another 3 or 4 years. K said he didn’t think there was any basic damage done, but he would do what he could to keep it quiet. R said on the Smith thing, tell the P the delay could have been invoked, but the Soviets moved in our direction—we thought they would move the other way. And also tell the P that it is going to 3 or 4 years till it is a treaty. K said he didn’t even think he would raise it with the P, it wasn’t that important.

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  1. Source: Library of Congress, Manuscript Division, Kissinger Papers, Box 361, Telephone Conversations, Chronological File, November 11–17, 1969. No classification marking.
  2. Kissinger complained to Rogers about the way that ACDA Director Smith handled the seabed arms control treaty.