Foreign Relations of the United States, 1964–1968, Volume XXVI, Indonesia; Malaysia-Singapore; Philippines

15. Memorandum of Meeting¹

Washington, January 14, 1964.

SUBJECT

• To discuss Attorney General’s trip to visit Sukarno

IN ATTENDANCE

• The President, Secretary McNamara, Gov. Harriman, Mr. Bundy, Mr. McCone, Mr. Forrestal, Mr. Sorensen²

Arrangements have been completed for a meeting on Saturday, January 18th, in Tokyo with Sukarno and Subandrio and in all probability, Nasution.

It was decided that no Presidential finding as required under the Gruening amendment would be made prior to the meeting.

AG’s terms of reference were reviewed and modified to meet the wishes of the President and to incorporate some suggestions made.

Messages from [less than 1 line of source text not declassified] were noted.³ Harriman pointedly stated that reports were excellent, he was deeply appreciative, and [less than 1 line of source text not declassified] had made an important contribution to the AG’s mission. The AG and Bundy and Forrestal all concurred.

[less than 1 line of source text not declassified] of FE will accompany the AG as will Forrestal and others. Itinerary not definitely scheduled but tentatively leave late night January 14th, spend several hours in Honolulu, then proceed non-stop to Tokyo.

Following actions are required:

1. [less than 1 line of source text not declassified] to prepare concise memorandum of exactly what the AG can reveal to Sukarno, et al, concerning our knowledge of their guerrilla and military preparations and plans.⁴ (Note: Care must be taken not to blow sensitive sources but statement must be made as comprehensive as possible.)

2. [less than 1 line of source text not declassified] to have full file including classified information for review by AG and Forrestal when and as required.

3. [3 lines of source text not declassified]

4. [less than 1 line of source text not declassified] to be instructed proceed to Tokyo and be available to brief AG on further details of the [less than 1 line of source text not declassified]-Macapagal meeting and to be available to AG to extent requested, including returning with him to Manila if AG wishes [less than 1 line of source text not declassified] present for the AG-Macapagal meeting. (Note: I personally question necessity for this but leave matter at AG’s discretion.)

Note: I see no reason for extensive [less than 1 line of source text not declassified] reporting although some developments during the trip may be of special interest to us and [less than 1 line of source text not declassified] should be instructed accordingly. Also probably advisable to alert [less than 1 line of source text not declassified] to report promptly any matters of interest which might develop in the next 2 or 3 days, particularly relating to Subandrio’s and Nasution’s views as the AG-Sukarno meeting is now public and will have been reported in Indonesia.

1. Source: Central Intelligence Agency, DCI (McCone) Files: Job 80–B01285A, Meetings with the President, 1 January–30 April 1964. Secret. Transcribed by McCone. Copies were sent to Deputy Director of Central Intelligence Marshall S. Carter and Helms.
2. Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy also attended this meeting.
3. In telegram 960 to Manila, January 10, the Department of State informed Stevenson that [text not declassified] would be stopping off in Manila for a discussion with Macapagal on the Malaysia dispute. An old friend of Macapagal, [text not declassified] was instructed to use his private meeting with Macapagal as a means of getting useful information to Robert Kennedy. (National Archives and Records Administration, RG 59, Central Files 1964–66, POL 7 US/KENNEDY) The report of [text not declassified] discussion with Macapagal on January 13 is in telegram 1020 from Manila, January 14. (Ibid.)
4. Not further identified.