93. Transcript of a Telephone Conversation Between Secretary of State Rogers and the President’s Assistant for National Security Affairs (Kissinger)1
R: Hello Henry. I understood that Dobrynin saw you before he left2 and I was wondering what it was about.
K: Who saw me?[Page 283]
R: I understand Dobrynin saw you before he left Washington.
K: Who? Oh Dobrynin you mean. I only talked to him about these bombings and I have been talking to Irwin on that.3 It was about these goddamned bombings.
R: Bombings? You mean the Embassy bombings? He did not come in to see you?
K: No he did not come in to see me. I talked to him and gave him an apology for the bombings but he did not come in to see me.
K: A soon as I come back, I have talked to the President, and I have worked out a way to keep you fully informed.
R: When are you coming back? I want to talk to you again about the Ivanov case.
K: Thursday or Friday.4 I had no discussion with him about that. The last I talked to him was about the bombings.
R: Nothing about Cuba or Berlin? The paper said he stayed over an extra day to see you and I was wondering what it was all about.5 How is your vacation out there?
K: Very pleasant. I was back for the weekend for some parties for Ambassador Freeman.
R: I missed the Freeman parties. How were they?
K: The one Sunday night was a disaster. You couldn’t tell who was there because they had it in a restaurant which was partitioned into many rooms. No mood or anything.
R: He is a nice fellow.
K: A very nice human being.
- Source: National Archives, Nixon Presidential Materials, Henry Kissinger Telephone Conversation Transcripts, Box 8, Chronological File. No classification marking. Rogers was in Washington; Kissinger was in San Clemente. A typewritten parenthetical note indicates that the transcript was “not verbatim.”↩
- See Document 90.↩
- See Document 89.↩
- January 14 or 15.↩
- The Washington Post reported on January 12 (p. A9) that Dobrynin had been recalled to Moscow for “consultations” but that his wife would remain in Washington: “While the embassy would give no details other than to say Mrs. Dobrynin is remaining in Washington, some State Department officials felt the trip was related to the current U.S.-Soviet tensions growing out of the Leningrad hijacking trial.” No newspaper account has been found of Kissinger’s meeting with Dobrynin on January 9.↩