95. Transcript of Telephone Conversation Between the President’s Assistant for National Security Affairs (Kissinger) and Secretary of Defense Schlesinger 1
S: Hello, Henry.
K: Jim two things. I have a backchannel from Graham Martin 2 who was in Phnom Penh and who feels we should switch bombing to the frontier and concentrations along the frontier.[Page 387]
S: OK, you mean the B–52s?
K: Yes. He also claims there are restrictions on our bombing.
S: I know not about that. The Embassy had restrictions on bombing in the south.
K: For what reason?
S: I never figured that one out. I think we discussed it with you in San Clemente.
K: And I overruled it then.
S: I think so. Well, I’ll check on it. I assumed it was called off but they may still be using it in the field.
K: Can we make sure. There are only two weeks left.
K: In the next two weeks and fast.
S: You’re sure you want that. There has been a proclivity to lay low in the frontier. Any way let me look into it.
K: I know I want it. What is the proclivity?
S: I think the attitude may have been that the purpose was to show up the Cambodian bombings not to beat the hell out of the ______ of South Vietnam.
K: But South Vietnam is the ballgame.
S: Yes, but we have got some kind of ceasefire with these bastards. Suddenly we open up with B–52s. Let me look at this problem and get back to you shortly.
K: But today.
K: Jim, about our Friday conversation, could you let me know as soon as possible what you are doing so we can get word to ______ and also if there is any information. We got to prepare ourselves properly.
S: OK. Very good. I will go to John Foster.
K: Can you let me know by the end of the day tomorrow?
S: That is going to be hard on the first question because we don’t know what we are going to do on the sanctuaries.
K: You don’t have to give an answer on what we are going to do; what I want to know is what ______ and what procedures we are ginning up to get ourselves ready. We would like to give a positive response and attitude.
- Source: National Archives, Nixon Presidential Materials, Henry A. Kissinger Telephone Conversation Transcripts, Box 21, Chronological File. No classification marking. Blank underscores are omissions in the original.↩
- Backchannel message 534 from Saigon, July 30; ibid., NSC Files, Box 416, Backchannel Messages, Martin, July 19–December 1973.↩