69. Transcript of a Telephone Conversation Between the President’s Assistant for National Security Affairs (Kissinger) and the Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for East Asian and Pacific Affairs (Sullivan)1

[Omitted here is a discussion of Canada’s participation in the International Commission of Control and Supervision.]

S: Now, another thing I wanted your judgment on—We’ve been doing a lot of leafleting and dropping of miniature radios and things of that sort …

K: I would go easy on that.

S: North of the 20th, huh. What I think I’ll tell them is they can still use the balloons to drift in, right?

K: Right.

S: And they can launch stuff that floats in from the sea but no air drops.

K: Absolutely.

S: No. Okay.

K: On our side we keep getting, you know, insistent messages that we sign on March [October] 30th.

S: I’m sure.

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K: On October 30th, and I finally asked them to explain to me how we can sign a document that begins by saying “with the concurrence of a party that hasn’t concurred.”

S: You’re getting logical again.

K: And we’ve got the Russians and Chinese in action and we hope we can get everyone quieted down now.

S: I think the general—I haven’t finished reading this long diatribe of tears but the general impact of it on the press is not all that too bad.2

K: No, but we got some intelligence that the guy is really off his rocker.

S: So Al Haig told me.

K: You know, I could live with—If all of this is posturing, it’s actually quite true but if—

S: But if he’s really thinking the same behind us.

K: But he thinks he’s got us face down and that his trick now is to come up with an alternative proposal.

S: I’m afraid that’s what his Ambassador3 is going to be carrying back on Saturday or Sunday.

K: Yeah. Well, we better start turning the screws a bit. We better have a talk before you talk to his Ambassador.

S: Okay, I don’t think he will be in until the weekend.

K: Right. Okay, Bill.

S: One final thing just in case Laird calls you, I don’t think he will but his people have been trying to get Porter to raise the POW issue.

K: No, no, no.

S: And I’ve turned it off.

K: Absolutely not.

S: They said they were going to get Laird to call you but—

K: Absolute insanity. We’ve got that solved.

S: Yeah. Good.

K: Okay.

S: Okay, Henry, bye.

  1. Source: National Archives, Nixon Presidential Materials, Kissinger Telephone Conversations, Box 16, Chronological File. No classification marking.
  2. Sullivan was referring to the address to the nation Thieu made on October 24. See footnote 4, Document 72.
  3. Tran Kim Phuong.