156. Memorandum of Conversation0
SUBJECT
- Call of Yugoslav Ambassador on the President, April 18, 1963, 5:00 p.m.
PARTICIPANTS
- The President
- Mr. Richard H. Davis, Deputy Assistant Secretary, Department of State
- Mr. William J. Barnsdale, Officer in Charge Yugoslav Affairs, Department of State
- Mr. Veljko Micunovic, Yugoslav Ambassador
- Dr. Josip Presburger, Counselor, Yugoslav Embassy
Ambassador Micunovic thanked the President for the early appointment. He reported to the President that during his consultation in Belgrade from March 13 to April 14 he had met with President Tito and other leaders of the Yugoslav Government, and had brought with him to Washington a personal message from Tito to the President. The Ambassador pointed out that the Serbo-Croatian text of the letter was the original and that the English translation accompanying it should be considered an unofficial translation.
The President read the message from Tito, thanked the Ambassador and said he would respond to the letter. He expressed his appreciation for Tito’s remarks. The President said we are going ahead with our efforts to amend the most-favored-nation legislation [Section 231 of the Trade Expansion Act]1 but noted that the Ambassador was aware of the legislative difficulties. Our efforts to amend the legislation offers an opportunity for some members of Congress to be unhelpful. We will know later what our legislative chances are.
The President also said he was gratified that on the basis of Tito’s trip to the Soviet Union the Yugoslav President feels that the Soviet leadership wants peace. The President pointed out that we want peace too. We are moving ahead on these matters. We are working hard on the non-diffusion of atomic weapons, for example, and the situation is more normal in the Caribbean.
The President then asked Ambassador Micunovic for his opinion on the possibilities for a resolution of the Sino-Soviet dispute. How would such a resolution affect Yugoslavia?
[Page 342]The Ambassador replied that it is difficult to see what realistic possibilities there are for a resolution of Sino-Soviet difficulties. Efforts have been made to ease Sino-Soviet tension and some alleviation is possible, but the basic differences will remain. The Ambassador also agreed with the President that it was difficult to see how good relations could exist on all sides of the Sino-Soviet-Yugoslav triangle.
The President asked if Tito would visit Mexico and the Ambassador replied in the affirmative. The Ambassador said invitations had been received also from Brazil, Bolivia, and Chile and that it is expected that Tito will visit all of these countries in the autumn. The Ambassador noted that in the Yugoslav view the visit of the Mexican President was very successful. The Yugoslavs were very pleased.
The President asked the Ambassador for his assessment of current difficulties within the USSR, noting that although Tito had been there, his visit was several months ago. The Ambassador replied by noting that for quite a number of years the Yugoslavs had attempted to improve their relations with the USSR on the basis of the Yugoslav policy of independence and non-alignment. The Ambassador had tried to further these Yugoslav efforts when several years ago he was his country’s ambassador in Moscow, but he had not been successful. However, significant changes have taken place in the USSR. There is evolution everywhere, and the evolutionary developments in the Soviet Union made it possible for Tito’s recent visit to be successful. But as a result of these changes in the Soviet Union the Sino-Soviet conflict has grown as well. Yugoslavia as a socialist country is vitally interested in these developments and wishes to support progressive evolutionary tendencies everywhere—the Yugoslavs support negotiated settlements on the basis of mutual concessions and peace.
In that respect Chairman Khrushchev’s speech of 12 December, delivered in the presence of President Tito, went as far as the Soviets had ever gone before in advocating these progressive evolutionary tendencies. The Ambassador expressed his understanding, therefore, of President Tito’s sincere belief that Khrushchev is interested in peace and negotiated settlements. At the moment Khrushchev’s words have become “harder”, but his intent remains the same as during Tito’s visit.
The President asked the Ambassador for his view on the pressures on Khrushchev from Stalinists and others within the Kremlin.
The Ambassador saw the pressures on Khrushchev as falling into two categories. First, there is Khrushchev’s lack of success in achieving significant accomplishments vis-à-vis the West. Second, Communist Chinese positions have been strengthened as a result of the cold war. In the absence of success on either of these fronts the pressure on Khrushchev is great.
[Page 343]There was great hope in Yugoslavia that when Khrushchev accepted the principle of on-site inspection that an agreement between the Soviets and the US would follow. There had been hope also that after the Soviet [rocket] withdrawal from Cuba there would be some lessening of Cuban problems in and outside the US. The Yugoslavs had hoped that some gains for Khrushchev on the second front [vis-à-vis the Chinese] would occur. There had been some disappointment in Yugoslavia that these positive developments had not produced more significant results.
The President concurred that there had been no spectacular agreements. On the other hand we have a situation which is not war, which is less tense, and which is not as dangerous as last fall or during the fall of 1961. The very lack of greater danger is a form of success. Agreements themselves are not always so satisfactory. We have an agreement on Laos but we do not have a satisfactory situation there.
The President assured the Ambassador again that he would respond to Tito, and he expressed a desire to see good relations with Yugoslavia. The President said good relations between the US and Yugoslavia contribute to stability in that area, and he hoped that Yugoslav influence in other areas such as Africa and the Middle East will be in the right direction. The President expressed the hope that our bilateral problems, in particular MFN and sales of military spare parts, will be resolved. He said he appreciated President Tito’s letter, and also the courtesies the Yugoslavs have extended to our Ambassador in Belgrade.
Ambassador Micunovic associated himself with the President’s hope for a solution to our particular problems, and said that beyond this goal, the Yugoslavs also hoped to build a firm basis for a continued expansion of good relations with the US. He wished to assure the President, in closing the discussion, that Yugoslav policies would remain non-aligned and independent, as stressed in President Tito’s letter.
The Ambassador then informed the President that he had been instructed to invite Secretary Rusk to visit Yugoslavia and hoped that it was not inappropriate to so inform the President before he saw the Secretary tomorrow.
The President expressed his confidence that the Secretary of State would be pleased to receive an invitation and a visit would be a good thing.
There follows an unofficial English translation of the letter dated April 7, 1963, from President Tito as provided by Ambassador Micunovic on April 18, 1963, and a copy of the original Serbo-Croatian text.
[Page 344]- Source: Department of State, Presidential Memoranda of Conversation: Lot 66 D 149. Limited Official Use. Drafted by Barnsdale and approved in the White House on April 23.↩
- All brackets in the source text.↩
- Limited Official Use. The source text is labeled “Unofficial Translation.” The Serbo-Croatian text is not printed.↩
- Printed from a copy that bears this typed signature.↩