800.014 Antarctic/10–148
Memorandum of Conversation, by the Chief, Division of Northern European Affairs (Hulley)
Participants: | Mr. T. H. Eustace, Chargé d’Affaires ad Interim, Legation of South Africa |
Mr. W. Dirkse-van-Schalkwyk, First Secretary, Legation of South Africa | |
Mr. Edward T. Wailes, Chief, BC | |
Mr. Benjamin M. Hulley, Chief, NOE | |
Mr. John O. Bell, Associate Chief, NOE |
Mr. Eustace said he came under instruction to bring to our attention the interest of South Africa in the Antarctic proposals mentioned in our press release of August 28, 1948.1 He said he was speaking quite informally and did not intend to send us a note or any other communication. He spoke from a page of notes, a copy of which is attached.
I said I would be glad to comment equally informally giving my personal first reactions which should be regarded as unofficial. I was interested in the South African view that Antarctica is terra nullius and asked if that meant that none of the claims advanced would stand up in court. He said this was about the position apart from places like the Falkland Islands which had long been inhabited. I pointed out that the Falkland Islands did not come into our definition of the area and added that we too have doubts as to how far any of the claims which have been filed would be recognized by an international court under the accepted rules of international law.
I agreed that control of the area would be of vital concern to South Africa and that we had had this in mind when we drafted our plan, particularly in the provision for new member nations. However, I thought we would be embarrassed to bring any other nations into it [Page 1008] before an agreement was reached since this might be a precedent for bringing in still other nations which we were taking care not to invite directly or indirectly. Specifically we had in mind Russia which had explored part of the area over a hundred years ago and had left names for some of the geographical features.
I said that whaling did not come into the picture as we contemplated only the land area, and whaling is covered by a separate international agreement. I agreed that meteorological data would be of utmost value to all the Southern Hemisphere and this and other scientific investigation seemed now to promise the main value of the continent. We have thought of trans-Antarctic airways, but from a study of the map, have concluded that this was not likely to be of interest, as, apart from Polar weather hazards, great circle routes between major cities in the Southern Hemisphere do not pass over the continent. As regards economic exploitation, we felt it to be of minor importance on the basis of our present knowledge, but were aware that future developments might change this.
With regard to informing him of the details of our approach to the other countries, I said I would want to consult other officers of the Department and would let him know next week.
He said he would not discuss this with any other Embassy here. I agreed this was best but I saw no objection if he wanted to talk to the British about it.