Paris Peace Conf. 180.03401/70
Notes of a Meeting Held at President Wilson’s House in the Place des Etats-Unis, Paris, on Monday, June 16, 1919, at 11 a.m.
United States of America
- President Wilson.
- Rt. Hon. D. Lloyd George, M. P.
- M. Clemenceau.
- M. Sonnino.
- Baron Makino.
- United States of America
|Sir Maurice Hankey, K. C. B.||}||Secretaries.|
|M. di Martino.|
|Professor P. J. Mantoux.—Interpreter.|
(M. Clemenceau and M. Mantoux were not present during the discussion of the first few items.)
1. The Council had before them a memorandum by the Economic the Economic Commission, headed Periods of Time, recommending certain alterations in the Treaty of Peace with Germany. (Appendix I).
(After the memorandum had been read, it was agreed that these alterations should not be approved.) Periods of Time for the Economic Provisions: Alteration in the Treaty of Peace With Germany Proposed by the Economic Commission
2. The Council had before them a suggested modification in Article 276c of the Treaty of Peace with Germany. (Appendix II.)
(After the proposed alteration had been read, it was agreed that it was not necessary to make the Germany alteration.) Treatment of Nationals of Allied and Associated Powers: Proposed Alteration in Article 276c of the Treaty of Peace with Germany
3. The Council had before them proposals of the Special Aeronautical Committee in regard to the exportation and subsequent repurchase of aeronautical material in Germany (Appendix III). At the end of this memorandum it was proposed that the measures, if adopted, should be extended to all enemy States and to all war material.
(After the memorandum had been read, it was agreed that the proposals should not be adopted.) Proposed Addition to the Treaty of Peace in Regard to Aeronautical Material and Other War Material in Germany
4. The Council had before them Report No. 5 by the Protection of Committee on New States, recommending an additional Article for insertion in the Treaty of Peace with committee on Germany after Article 93, or after Article 155. (Appendix IV.) Protection of Minorities: Addition to the Treaty of Peace, Proposed by the Committee on Minorities
Mr. Lloyd George said that the only effect of this would be to make the Germans suspicious.[Page 470]
(After the proposed addition had been read, it was agreed that the proposals of the Committee on Minorities should not be adopted.)
5. Sir Maurice Hankey reported that on the previous day, a verbal alteration of the revised Article 438 of the Treaty of Peace with Germany, on the subject of Religious Missions, which had been approved by the Council on Saturday, June 14th,1 had been initialled by President Wilson and Mr. Lloyd George, and had provisionally been Germany acted on by the Drafting Committee. They had felt justified in doing this, as the British and United States Governments were more concerned than other Governments in the alteration. He now asked for the initials of the representatives of the other states. Religious Missions in Former German Colonies: Alteration to Article 438 of the Treaty of Peace With Germany
The alteration in question, consisted of the substitution for the following words, “composed of persons belonging to the same or corresponding religious denomination as the Mission whose property is involved” by the following, “composed of persons holding the faith of the Mission whose property is involved.”
Mr. Lloyd George said that the reason for the change was that there was no religious denomination in the British Empire precisely corresponding to the German Lutheran denomination. The word faith had been substituted for denomination, as it would enable other denominations closely akin to the Lutherans, such as the Presbyterians, to take over the Lutheran Missions.
M. Sonnino did not much like the word faith, the use of which, he said, would bring about difficulties with the Vatican.
(After a discussion, in the course of which, the proposed declaration to the Vatican was brought up, M. Sonnino withdrew his objections, and the revised Article 438 was initialled by M. Clemenceau, M. Sonnino and Baron Makino.) (Appendix V.)
Sir Maurice Hankey was instructed to forward the initialled copy to the Secretary-General for the information of the Drafting Committee.
6. With reference to C. F. 66, Minute 2,2 in the course of the previous discussion, Mr. Lloyd George handed in the draft of a Proposed declaration which it was proposed to make to the Declaration Vatican in regard to German Missions. Proposed Declaration to the Vatican
The draft was read, and in the course of the discussion, the following alterations were made:—
Paragraph 2. Last line. At the suggestion of Baron Makino, the words “in Africa and Asia Minor” were omitted.
Baron Makino pointed out that there might be Missions in the Pacific Islands also.[Page 471]
Paragraph 3. M. Sonnino suggested that the following words in lines 10 to 13 might cause considerable difficulties:—“the property of Missions under the Holy See will be placed at the disposal of persons of the Roman Catholic faith authorised thereto by the Holy See.”
The Council approved of the following substitute:—
“The property of Missions under the Holy See will be placed at the disposal of properly authorised persons of the Roman Catholic faith”, the following words being omitted:—“authorised thereto by the Holy See.”
President Wilson said that he could not accept the following additional paragraph, which had been proposed in case it were desired to apply the declaration to territory other than mandated territory:—
“These principles laid down by International agreement for territories administered under mandate will also be observed by the Principal Allied and Associated Powers in all territories belonging to them.”
(It was agreed to omit this paragraph.)
A copy of the final declaration, as generally approved, is attached. (Appendix VI.)
Baron Makino asked, however, that the final decision might be reserved until the afternoon.
7. With reference to C. F. 65, Minute 11,3 the Council had before them a draft paragraph for inclusion in the reply by the Allies to the German Counter-proposals on the subject of Memel. Memel
(This reply was approved subject to the following addition after the word “sovereignty.”
“particularly in view of the fact that Memel is the only sea outlet for Lithuania.”
A copy of the paragraph, as finally approved, was handed to M. Tardieu for the Editing Committee. (Appendix 7.)
Sir Maurice Hankey was instructed to forward it to the Secretary-General.)
8. With reference to C. F. 57, Minute l,4 M. Clemenceau said M. Loucheur had pressed for a small verbal alteration on page 6 of the reply to the German Counter-proposals on the subject Reparation: of Reparation.
(After a short discussion, it was agreed that the following sentence should be deleted:—“Suitable facilities for inspecting the damage done will be afforded to Germany’s Agents at reasonable times” and that the following [Page 472] sentence should be substituted:—“The necessary facilities for making reliable estimates of the damage done by her will be afforded to Germany.”Reparation: Alteration in the Reply to the German Counter-proposals
A copy of the final version of the reply is contained in Appendix VIII.
The change was communicated by Sir Maurice Hankey to M. Loucheur and M. Tardieu, who were in the adjoining Room.)
9. M. Sonnino handed in the attached letter, dated June 14th, 1919, addressed by M. Orlando to M. Clemenceau, as President of the Peace Conference, (Appendix IX) on the subject of the peculiar difficulties which would face Italy should the signature of the Conditions of Peace with Germany take place before the settlement of the future Italian boundaries. This, as explained in detail in the letter, arises from the fact that the signature of the Peace Treaty with Germany implies also the signature of the Covenant of the League of Nations, one of the clauses of which, contemplates reciprocal guarantees for the territories of the signing powers. The Reservation by Italy in Regard to the League of Nations Covenant in the German Treaty
M. Orlando had telegraphed, M. Sonnino continued, to ask that Italy’s reserve should be recorded, namely:—
“That the Italian Delegation is of opinion that the Clauses of the League of Nations, just because they refer to a territorial asset already established, do not apply to any of those arrangements and to those questions connected with them, which form the object of the Peace and which have not been settled yet.”
M. Orlando had always hoped, when giving his previous warnings on the subject, that the question of the Italian claims might be regulated before the signature of the German Treaty, and thus it was imperative to make these reservations now.
President Wilson suggested that these reservations were entirely unnecessary, since none of these mooted questions arise out of the Peace with Germany. The Austrian Treaty, he pointed out, also contains the Covenant of the League of Nations, and lays down that Austria agrees to recognise some of the States within boundaries to be decided by the Principal Allied and Associated Powers. Consequently, the League of Nations Covenant could not apply to an unclosed question.
Mr. Lloyd George suggested that M. Sonnino should write a letter to the Council.
M. Sonnino said that it would be sufficient for the moment if his reservation was taken note of on the procès-verbal.
(It was agreed to take formal note of the reservation contained in M. Orlando’s letter of June 14th, 1919.)[Page 473]
10. The text of an agreement between the United States of America, France and Great Britain, in regard to the Rhine Provinces,4a was approved by M. Clemenceau, Mr. Lloyd George and President Wilson. Occupation of the Rhine Provinces
Mr. Lloyd George pointed out that some similar arrangement would have to be made with Belgium. Sir Maurice Hankey was instructed to prepare a copy for signature.
11. Sir Maurice Hankey said he had received a telephone message from the Drafting Committee stating that the Rhine Convention was now practically ready to be handed to the Germans. The material given the Drafting Committee had not specified who were to be the High Contracting Parties. As the Italian representative on the Drafting Committee had stated that Italy would like to be a High Contracting Party, notwithstanding that she was not represented on the High Commission, the Drafting Committee had included Italy as well as Belgium with the British, French and United States as High Contracting Parties. Rhine Convention
Baron Sonnino said that the only object of making Italy a High Contracting Party was to enable her to send a Military Attaché to the High Commission in order to keep her informed of what was going on.
At the Commission which considered this subject Lord Robert Cecil had said that Italy could always send a liaison officer.
M. Clemenceau doubted if there was much value to Italy in a liaison officer who would only [apparent omission] between operative bodies.
Baron Sonnino said that if there was to be no Italian liaison officer, it was no use Italy being a High Contracting Party.
(It was agreed:—
1. That Italy should not be a High Contracting Party.
(This was immediately notified to the Drafting Committee by Sir Maurice Hankey.)
2. That the Convention should be handed to the German Delegation at the same time as the reply to the German Counter-proposals.)
12. President Wilson said he was to be away at Brussels from the evening of Tuesday, June 17th, until the morning of Friday, June 20th.
Mr. Lloyd George said he contemplated a short absence. Proceedings of the Council
The Council then adjourned upstairs for the discussion of certain military questions with the Military Representatives at Versailles, the proceedings being recorded as a separate meeting.
Villa Majestic, Paris, 16 June, 1919.[Page 474] [Page 477] [Page 480]
- See CF–66, p. 417.↩
- Ante, p. 417.↩
- Ante, p. 399.↩
- Ante, p. 290.↩
- Appendix to CF–73A, p. 522.↩
- Printed in italics.↩
- Neither printed; a portion of report of March 15 is quoted in BC–52, vol. iv, pp. 371–372.↩
- The document erroneously inserted in the file copy of the minutes as appendix IV to CF–70 is the same as appendix V (E) to CF–65 and is not reprinted. Instead there is printed as appendix IV the report (Paris Peace Conf. 181.23202/23) described in the text of the minutes, p. 469.↩
- Foreign Relations, 1878, p. 895.↩
- Printed in italics, p. 483.↩
- Foreign Relations, 1918, supp. 1, vol. i, p. 468.↩
- See IC–176C, vol. v, p. 210.↩