Paris Peace Conf. 180.03401/60
Notes of a Meeting Held at President Wilson’s House in the Place des Etats-Unis, Paris, on Wednesday, June 11, 1919, at 5:45 p.m.
United States of America
- President Wilson.
- The Rt. Hon. D. Lloyd George, M. P.
- M. Clemenceau.
- H. E. M. Orlando.
- United States of America
|Sir Maurice Hankey, K. C. B.||}||Secretaries|
|Prof. P. J. Mantoux.—Interpreter.|
1. The Council had before them the Report of the Committee on the Eastern Frontiers of Germany, dated June 10th, 1919.1
President Wilson drew attention to the map accompanying the report and pointed out that just as some Germans had been transferred to Germany, so some Poles had been transferred to Poland, as compared with the original scheme. Eastern Frontiers of Germany: Report of the Committee
Mr. Lloyd George said he had no objection to this, as it was in accordance with the instructions of the Committee.
2. President Wilson proposed that the Council should accept the plebiscite on the one to two years basis. Dr. Lord had told him upstairs that just before coming to the meeting he had seen an American just back from Upper Silesia, who had reported that all classes of the population were in favour of and eager for a plebiscite. Although Dr. Lord was himself opposed to the plebiscite, he had hastened to communicate this. The Plebiscite
M. Clemenceau said that he regretted the plebiscite and considered that, from a political point of view, it was not good. Henceforth, we must expect great trouble on the eastern frontiers of Germany. Nevertheless, he would not oppose his colleagues in this.
(It was agreed to accept the plebiscite on the one to two years basis.)
3. President Wilson said that Dr. Lord had also suggested to him that Mr. Headlam-Morley’s proposals for the powers of the Commission, put forward in his alternative article 5, although originally drawn for an immediate plebiscite, were much better suited to the delayed plebiscite than article 5 of the majority report. Powers of the Commission[Page 317]
(After both articles had been read, it was agreed to substitute Mr. Headlam-Morley’s draft of Article 5 for the first two paras of Article 5 of the majority report.)
4. President Wilson drew attention to Article 4 and pointed out that it was hardly necessary to invite the Japanese, who had no concern in the matter, to nominate a representative to the International Commission. Composition of the Commission
(It was agreed to alter the first sentence of Article 4 in the following sense:—
“Upper Silesia should be immediately placed under the authority of an International Commission of four members, to be designated by the following Powers:—
- United States of America,
- Great Britain,
- France and
5. President Wilson drew attention to Article 3 and the proposal for the removal of higher officials “in the accompanying list.” He pointed out that no list accompanied the report.
Mr. Lloyd George suggested that it would be better to leave this to the International Commission. Removal of Officials
(It was agreed to amend the first sentence of Article 3 in the following sense:—
“Within 15 days of the coming into force of the present Treaty, all German troops and such officials as may be designated by the Commission to be set up under the provisions of Article 4, shall evacuate Upper Silesia.”)
6. President Wilson drew attention to the last page of the second report of the Commission on Eastern Frontiers, dated 11th June, 1919,1a in which they enclosed a draft reply to the German Application memorandum and summarised concessions which it was proposed to make in reply to the German proposals. Application of Financial Recommendations to the Whole of Poland
The first of these concessions related to the financial clauses which, it was agreed, should be applied to the German proprietors not only in Upper Silesia but also in all the territories transferred from German to Polish sovereignty.
(This was agreed to.)
7. President Wilson pointed out that the second recommendation was that if the plebiscite was applied to Upper Silesia was adopted [sic], it would be difficult to avoid applying it also to the part of Upper Silesia granted to Czecho-Slovakia, namely, the district of Ratibor. District of Ratibor[Page 318]
M. Ciemenceau said that, as Ratibor had been granted to Czechoslovakia, it could not be taken back.
(It was agreed to take no action in regard to this.)
8. M. Clemenceau raised the question of the occupation.
Mr. Lloyd George said that, if necessary, all the Allies would have to contribute troops, but the British Government would prefer that the United States should undertake it. Occupation by Allied Troops
President Wilson undertook to consult his military authorities.
M. Clemenceau asked who would defray the cost.
M. Orlando said that it had been proposed that the nation which retained the sovereignty after the plebiscite should bear the cost.
Mr. Lloyd George suggested that, Upper Silesia, being a wealthy district, ought to pay the cost.
(This was agreed, and it was further agreed that that last paragraph of Article 8 should be altered in the following sense:—
“The cost of the army of occupation and expenditure by the Commission, whether in discharge of its own functions or in the administration of the territory, will be a charge on the district.”)
(Subject to the above alterations, the Report of the Committee on the Eastern Frontiers of Germany was approved, and Sir Maurice Hankey was instructed to prepare a re-draft of the Articles to be initialled by the four Heads of States and to set in motion the other action to give effect to the decisions of the Council.)
9. With reference to C. F. 56, Minute 1,2 the Council had before them a report of the Council of Foreign Ministers on their interview Military with the representatives of Roumania and of the situation in Czecho-Slovak State on June 11th, at 10 a.m. (Appendix I.) Military Situatuon in Hungary
(After some discussion, Sir Maurice Hankey was instructed to write to the Secretary-General, pointing out that there were certain points in connection with the report on which the Council required further information, namely:—
- As to why the frontiers between Roumania and Hungary were never communicated to the representatives of the States concerned.
- As to whether M. Bratiano had given any indication as to whether the proposed frontiers were acceptable or whether he had offered any criticisms.
- The recommendations of the Council of Foreign Ministers as to the alterations in the frontiers asked for by the Czecho-Slovak Delegation.
- The recommendations of the Council of Foreign Ministers on the proposals of General Pellé, in regard to which the Council of Foreign Ministers were, of course, at liberty to obtain any military or other expert advice if desired,
Sir Maurice Hankey was further asked to invite the Secretary-General to arrange for an immediate further meeting of the Council of Foreign Ministers on the subject.)
10. President Wilson read the reply from Admiral Koltchak which had been repeated and was now practically complete. (Appendix II.)
It was particularly noted that Admiral Koltchak had given satisfactory assurances that there would be no return to the regime which existed in February, 1917. Russia: The Reply From Admiral Koltchak
(It was agreed that, subject to the consent of the Japanese Delegation, the telegram to Admiral Koltchak and the reply should be published. Sir Maurice Hankey was directed to communicate a copy to the Japanese Delegation.
Note. Sir Maurice Hankey handed a copy to M. Saburi, the Secretary of the Japanese Delegation, at the Villa Majestic immediately after the meeting.)
11. Sir Maurice Hankey said that he had been asked by the Secretary-General to enquire whether the telegram to Bela Kun and his reply should be published. Correspondence With Bela Kun
(It was agreed that the telegrams should not be published until a cessation of the fighting had been secured.)
12. Sir Maurice Hankey reminded the Council that the question of references to the League of Nations was still unsettled. He had received a communication from Mr. Headlam-Morley, stating that the Committee could not complete its work until it received this information, which was urgently required. He understood that Mr. Lloyd George was awaiting a communication from Mr. Paderewski on the subject. Report of the Committee on Minorities: References to the League of Nations
Mr. Lloyd George said that he had not yet received the promised letter.
M. Clemenceau said that he had received a letter from M. Paderewski, but had not brought it with him.
13. Sir Maurice Hankey drew attention to several letters which had been received from M. Vesnitch on the subject of Klagenfurt. Klagenfurt.
(It was agreed that M. Vesnitch’s letters should be referred to the Commission on this subject.)
14. (It was agreed that on the following day, the Council should discuss the following questions:—
The occupation of the Rhine Provinces. Agenda for the Next Meeting
The draft replies to the German Note prepared by the Commissions.
The draft covering note prepared by Mr. Philip Kerr.[Page 320]
Sir Maurice Hankey was instructed to invite a Japanese Representative.)