Paris Peace Conf. 180.03401/42
Notes of a Meeting Held at President Wilson’s House in the Place des Etats-Unis, Paris, on Friday, May 30, 1919, at 4 p.m.
United States of America
- President Wilson.
- The Rt. Hon. D. Lloyd George, M. P.
- M. Clemenceau.
- M. Orlando.
- United States of America
|Sir Maurice Hankey, K. C. B.—Secretary.
|Prof. P. J. Mantoux.—Interpreter.
1. M. Orlando handed round the attached document in regard to the situation in Carinthia (Appendix 1). He suggested that Allied Commissioners should be sent to the scene of the fighting between Austria and the Jugo-Slavs with instructions to secure at once the cessation. Carinthia: Fighting Between Austrians and Jugo-Slavs
President Wilson suggested that the best plan would be for M. Clemenceau, on behalf of the principal Allied and Associated Powers, to present a note to the Serbo-Slovene-Croat Delegation.
(It was agreed that Mr. Philip Kerr should draft for consideration a note to the Serbo-Slovene-Croat Delegation warning them that the fighting must cease if they wished the boundaries to be settled, and that the result of the fighting would not prejudice the final decision as to the boundaries.)
With reference to C. F. 41, Minute 9,1 the following instructions to the Drafting Committee, prepared by Sir Maurice Hankey in accordance with directions, was approved and initialled by the four Heads of States:—
“With reference to the attached note C. F. 41, Minute 9, the Drafting Committee are instructed that any articles of the Treaty of Peace with Germany which are inconsistent with the text of articles 102 and 104 as notified to the Drafting Committee on May 24th., are to be brought into conformity with these articles.”
2. M. Clemenceau said he had received an application from the Turkish Grand Vizier to come to Paris and enlighten the Peace Conference. Applications From the Grand Vizier for Turkish Representatives To Come to Paris
Mr. Lloyd George supported the proposal. He thought that it was unnecessary to treat the Turks in in the same manner as the Germans. He could see no harm in hearing the Turkish side of the case. The same would apply to the Bulgarians if they wished to come.
President Wilson said their first object would be to protest against what had been done in Smyrna.
M. Clemenceau asked why they should not protest.
Mr. Lloyd George said he would let them protest.
(It was agreed that the Turkish application should be granted and the [that?] Mr. Philip Kerr should draft a reply for M. Clemenceau to send.)
3. Sir Maurice Hankey read a note received from M. Fromageot on behalf of the Drafting Committee, proposing in Article 228 of the German Treaty to omit the word “military” before the word “law”, so as to make the sentence read “such person shall, if found guilty, be sentenced to punishments laid down by law”. (Appendix II.) Penalties: Articles 228 of the German Treaty
M. Orlando pointed out that if Belgium chose to send her military culprits before a Civil Tribunal, it was a domestic matter which did not affect the other States.
(After a short discussion, the proposals of the Drafting Committee were approved, and Sir Maurice Hankey was instructed to notify the Secretary-General for the information of the Drafting Committee.)
4. With reference to C. F. 37B, Minute 10,2 the question was raised as to whether the political articles affecting territory to be transferred to Italy would be ready for inclusion in the Treaty to be handed to the Austrian Delegates on Monday, June 2nd. Austrian Treaty: Political Articles in Connection With Territory Transferred to Italy
Count Aldrovandi reported that the Commissions to which some of the draft clauses had been referred, were meeting that afternoon at 3 o’clock.
(Sir Maurice Hankey was instructed to ascertain whether the Reports of the Commissions would be ready for consideration on the following day.)
Note. Sir Maurice Hankey made enquiries, and ascertained that the Report of the Financial Commission was ready. The Report of the Reparation Commission, with which was bound up the Economic questions, was not ready.[Page 117]
5. There was a short conversation in regard to the German counter proposals.2a
President Wilson said that he had sent the German document to his Experts, and asked them merely to summarise what counter proposals had been made by the Germans. He proposed to consider these, and not their counter arguments. German Counter Proposals
Mr. Lloyd George said he had had a preliminary conversation with his colleagues on the British Empire Delegation, and had invited several members of the British Government to meet him in Paris on Sunday. There were certain statements of fact in regard to the eastern frontier, for example, the distribution of population in Poland, on which he would like to elicit the truth.
President Wilson referred to the statement that 750 years had passed since Silesia was Polish.
(After some further discussion, it was agreed to adjourn until Monday at the earliest any further consideration of the question by the Council, in order to give members an opportunity to study the question with their respective Delegations.)
6. The Council had under consideration the second German Note dated May 22nd., on the subject of International Labour Legislation (Appendix III), and the reply suggested by Mr. Barnes’ Committee (Appendix IV). Reply to the Second German Note on the Labour Organisation
(After the reply had been read aloud, it was approved.)
(Sir Maurice Hankey was instructed to notify the Secretary-General in order that it might be presented for M. Clemenceau’s signature and forwarded to the German Delegation.
It was further agreed that the Note should be published after despatch.)
7. The Council had before them the remarks of the Drafting Committee on the proposals of M. Kramarz on the Political Clauses for the Czecho-Slovak State.
The discussion was adjourned owing to the fact that the Articles of the Treaty to which M. Kramarz’ observations referred, were not available. Austrian Treaty: Proposals by M. Kramarz
8. With reference to C. F. 41, minute 8.3 Mr. Lloyd George asked leave to refer to the despatches from Poland handed round by M. Clemenceau on May 29th. (Appendix V.) The Polish-Ukrainian Armistice: General Haller’s Position
The point to which he wished to call attention was the statement that General Haller had said he had no recollection of any promise made by him to anyone not to use his Army against the Ukrainians. This raised the [Page 118] question as to whether Marshal Foch had ever carried out his instructions to notify General Haller that he was not to do so. He recalled that Marshal Foch had, at one time, been exceedingly desirous of sending General Haller’s Army to Lemberg.
M. Clemenceau undertook to make full enquiry into the matter.
President Wilson read a report from a United States Officer, a Lieutenant Foster, who had visited Sambor and Stanisslau, and reported that in the districts he had visited, the peasants, who were Ukrainians by nationality, had returned to the land and showed no antipathy to the Poles; the Poles had behaved with great tact and judgment, and had released all their prisoners; the Ukrainian Government, according to this report, had proved most unsatisfactory—had been unable to keep order and had made many requisitions mainly at the expense of the Polish population. The Ukrainian transport had been disorganised and the currency system hopeless. The Ukrainian troops had perpetrated many outrages on the Poles, and this Officer marvelled at the restraint shown by the Polish troops. In his view, the Ukrainians were not capable of self-government, but he qualified his report by stating that he had only visited a limited part of the country, and this only applied to what he himself had seen.
9. With reference to C.F. 13, Minute I.4 M. Orlando again raised the question of the action to be taken in cases where subjects of the old Austro-Hungarian Empire had committed breaches of the laws of war and had subsequently assumed some fresh nationality such as Czecho-Slovak or one of the other nationalities formed out of the old Austrian Empire. He said that according to his recollection, the previous decision had been to refer this to the Drafting Committee but that the Drafting Committee had received no instructions.* Breaches of the Laws of War
President Wilson said that the difficulty was that the Austrian Treaty could not bind the Czecho-Slovak State.
M. Orlando made the suggestion that the Czecho-Slovaks should undertake in the Treaty to bring to trial in their own Courts, persons accused of Breaches of the Laws of War.
This proposal was accepted.
(The attached Resolution (Appendix VI) was approved and initialled, and Sir Maurice Hankey was instructed to forward it immediately to the Secretary General for the information of the Drafting Committee.)
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- Ante, p. 107.↩
- Ante, p. 85.↩
- Post, p. 795.↩
- Ante, p. 107.↩
- Vol. v, p. 605.↩
- Note by Sir Maurice Hankey:—My notes do not confirm M. Orlando’s recollection of any such decision. M. P. H. [Footnote in the original.]↩
- The text of the reply-note was identical with the draft reply in appendix II to CF–13, vol. v, p. 610, except for the substitution of the signature of M. Clemenceau for Mr. Barnes’ initials on the draft.↩
- Appendix I to CF–9. ibid., p. 571.↩
- Appendix III, supra.↩
- No copy of this document accompanies the minutes. For text, see Senate Document No. 149, 66th Cong., 1st sess., p. 53.↩
- No copy of this document accompanies the minutes. For text, see ibid, p. 53.↩
- Appendix II to CF–22A, vol. v, p. 806.↩
- Translation from the French supplied by the editors.↩
- In transmitting this resolution to the Secretary General of the Peace Conference on May 30, 1919, Sir Maurice Hankey stated that “in view of the very short time available, I handed the original initialled copy to Mr. Hurst, who, in company with M. Fromageot, happened to visit me immediately after the meeting.” (Paris Peace Conf. 180.03402/32).↩