Paris Peace Cont 180.03201/26
FM–26
Notes of a Meeting of the Foreign Ministers Held in M. Pichon’s Room at the Quai d’Orsay, Paris, on Thursday, June 19, 1919, at 3 p.m.
| Present | Also Present |
| America, United States of | America, United States of |
| Hon. R. Lansing | Mr. Johnson |
| Secretary | Dr. Seymour |
| Mr. L. Harrison | British Empire |
| British Empire | Sir Eyre Crowe |
| The Rt. Hon. A. J. Balfour | Mr. A. Leeper |
| France | Major Temperley |
| M. Pichon | France |
| Secretaries | M. Tardieu |
| M. de Bearn | M. Laroche |
| M. de St. Quentin | M. Aubert |
| Italy | General Le Rond |
| H. E. Baron Sonnino | Italy |
| Secretary | Count Vannutelli-Rey |
| M. Bertele | Colonel Pariani |
| Japan | Japan |
| H. E. Baron Makino | M. Otchiai |
Joint Secretariat
| America, United States of | Lieut. C. Burden. |
| British Empire | Capt. E. Abraham. |
| France | M. Fould. |
| Italy | Lieut. Zanchi. |
| Interpreter:—M. Cammerlynck. | |
1. Evacuation of the Klagenfurt Basin M. Pichon said that he thought it would be best to ask M. Tardieu to inform the Council of the conclusions of his Committee regarding the limits of the Basin of Klagenfurt for the purpose of the telegram which the Council was requested to send (see previous Minutes I. C. 197, Minute 3).1
M. Tardieu said that the answer to this question was to be found in Minute 5 of a note addressed to the Supreme Council by the [Page 843] Commission for Roumanian and Jugo-Slav Affairs. (See Annexure A). The consequence was that no change was made in Zone A and none proposed in Zone B, and that the boundaries shown on what was known as President Wilson’s map were maintained by the unanimous assent of the Committee.
M. Pichon said that if the Council approved the proposal sent to them from the Council of Four, it would follow that a telegram should be sent demanding the evacuation of the Klagenfurt Basin by both sides, the frontiers being those shown on President Wilson’s map excluding the Miesthal region.
M. Sonnino said that as no alteration was proposed in the frontier, no specification need be made in the message. The telegram of May 31st should be repeated.
Mr. Balfour said he could not quite understand what it was proposed the Council should do. Was it to order that a large tract of country should be left with no troops in it either Austrian or Jugo-Slav?
M. Tardieu observed that the Commission had no remarks to make on this policy as the question had not been submitted to it.
M. Sonnino said that the Council of Heads of Governments wished the Military Representatives on the spot to be informed of the order given for the evacuation of the Klagenfurt Basin. These Officers would then make proposals in accordance with events for maintaining order in the evacuated area. This was the resolution adopted in the Council of Four.
Mr. Lansing said that he did not quite follow M. Sonnino. He read the letter written by Sir Maurice Hankey on June 17th (see I. C. 197, Minute 3) to mean that entire evacuation of the Klagenfurt Basin was to be ordered. At the same time the Council of Foreign Ministers were asked to determine certain limits. M. Sonnino said these limits had already been laid down. If the outline of the Klagenfurt Basin had already been determined, the letter must mean lines behind which the occupying troops should retire.
M. Sonnino maintained that this was not the meaning of the resolution of the Council of Four. Seeing that the Commission proposed no change in the outer limits of the Klagenfurt Basin, all that remained to be done was to re-affirm the orders of May 31st.
Mr. Lansing pointed out that the Council of Foreign Ministers was asked to “approve”; for his part he did not.
Mr. Balfour also said that he did not approve.
M. Sonnino said that he had himself raised the question in the Council of Four and asked what was to happen
- (a)
- if evacuation took place
- (b)
- if it did not take place.
He asked whether the Council would authorise the military Representatives on the spot to take action. The Council had decided that these Officers should not take action but should make proposals to the Council.
M. Pichon observed that this matter was not within the terms of reference.
M. Sonnino said that if his Colleagues did not approve the evacuation of the Klagenfurt Basin in spite of the fact that it had been decided on by the Council of Heads of Governments, he could do no more. In his view the proper thing to do was to send a telegram and ask the military authorities on the spot to make proposals for dealing with the consequences.
M. Pichon said that as Mr. Balfour could not approve of the telegram, it clearly could not be sent. The Council was, therefore, at the very start precluded from doing what M. Sonnino suggested.
Mr. Lansing proposed that a reply be sent on behalf of the Council of Foreign Ministers to the effect that having been asked to approve of the total evacuation of the Klagenfurt Basin, the Council returned the reply that it did not approve of this policy. It would, however, approve of the withdrawal of the opposing troops behind the line proposed by the Jugo-Slav Commission.
M. Sonnino said he could not agree to this. It appeared to him quite contrary to the decision of the Council of the Heads of Governments as understood by him.
M. Pichon said there was another proposal formulated by Mr. Lansing and supported by Mr. Balfour. He also concurred with it. All he could do was to put this to the vote. He thought it would be a wise decision as supplementary information just received reported disturbances in the Klagenfurt area. He quoted a telegram from the French General on the spot saying that Allied troops were urgently required to keep order.
Mr. Lansing said that he thought there must be some mistake in the account given of the matter by M. Sonnino. The more natural course would have been to consult the military men on the spot before asking the Foreign Ministers for their approval.
(At this stage Mr. Balfour withdrew.)
M. Sonnino said that the news quoted by M. Pichon showed the necessity of doing something. He referred again to the history of the telegram sent on May 31st and to the subsequent events.
M. Pichon said that, to sum up, as Mr. Balfour and he himself supported Mr. Lansing’s views, all he could do was to report to the Council of Four that with the exception of M. Sonnino, all supported a withdrawal of the contending armies north and south of the line shown on the map known as “President Wilson’s Map”.
[Page 845]M. Sonnino said that his view was that a telegram should be sent renewing the order of May 31st for the total evacuation of the Klagenfurt Basin and that the Military authorities should be asked to make proposals for dealing with the consequences. The following resolution was then adopted:—
“The Council of the Foreign Ministers decided to reply to the Council of the Heads of Governments that their interpretation of the letter addressed by Sir Maurice Hankey to the Secretary-General of the Peace Conference on June 17th, 1919, regarding the evacuation of the Klagenfurt Basin was that they were asked to approve the action suggested in paragraph 3.
With the exception of Baron Sonnino, this interpretation was unanimous and, with the same exception, the answer was that the Council of Foreign Ministers could not approve of the total evacuation of the Klagenfurt Basin.
It was further proposed by Mr. Lansing, and approved by the other Foreign Ministers, excepting Baron Sonnino, that the troops of the contending forces be ordered to withdraw north and south respectively of the purple line drawn on the map known as President Wilson’s Map.
Baron Sonnino maintained that the duty of the Council was to send a telegram ordering the total evacuation of the Basin and to ask the 4 Military Representatives of the Allied and Associated Powers on the spot what proposals they had to make to deal with the consequences of the evacuation.”
(The Meeting then adjourned.)
Paris, June 19, 1919.